Murnatan

Community => Discussion => Topic started by: Stroma on October 25, 2017, 07:54:09 AM

Title: Worried
Post by: Stroma on October 25, 2017, 07:54:09 AM
I am a bit worried about the inactivity of the forum and the developers of this website. Ive read that you got a steam greenlight and that the game wouldve been soon released. I wonder what happened? Did something happen? :(
Title: Re: Worried
Post by: Machine Medic on October 25, 2017, 01:37:53 PM
Money as usual, I think.  Skilled developers aren't cheap.  Cheap developers aren't skilled. 

Rotacak mentioned something about working with a publisher a few weeks ago.
Title: Re: Worried
Post by: Loki on October 26, 2017, 11:33:37 PM
Rotacak has made an all-in on this project IMO, I don't think it's a ship he'd abandon. Give it time, bureaucracy is the devil.
Title: Re: Worried
Post by: Machine Medic on October 27, 2017, 11:06:00 AM
How is bureaucracy involved?
Title: Re: Worried
Post by: Loki on October 28, 2017, 12:22:39 AM
How is bureaucracy involved?

IT'S EVERYWHERE
#ancap4life
Title: Re: Worried
Post by: Nomad on November 01, 2017, 12:23:09 AM
A few progress updates would be greatly appreciated
Title: Re: Worried
Post by: Machine Medic on November 01, 2017, 09:09:43 PM
I don't think there has been any progress to report.  No money = no employees. 

A man's got to eat.
Title: Re: Worried
Post by: Prophet on November 12, 2017, 12:08:00 AM
yo, wanted to chime in on the concerns here.  My boys and I are still looking forward to Murnatan, hoping for some news soon...
Title: Re: Worried
Post by: Machine Medic on November 12, 2017, 12:36:59 AM
We need to figure out some way to raise capital for this game. 

It's not going to make progress without money to spend.
It's not going to earn money to spend without making progress.

You see the problem.

It's either:
 - A fundraising event  (Hell, even a Patreon account with the right set of rewards would at least give you *some* money to work with.  Offer special artistic-style wallpaper renders, item exchange currency, name in the credits, or something in that nature!)
 - A loan/publisher/sponsor (Who will undoubtedly want a say in the game's development)
 - Enlisting volunteer help

 - Pre-releasing the game for paid Early Access.  (Convince people that this is a cause worth supporting and you might be surprised.)

Those are the only options.
Title: Re: Worried
Post by: Prophet on November 12, 2017, 12:52:04 AM
We need to figure out some way to raise capital for this game. 

It's not going to make progress without money to spend.
It's not going to earn money to spend without making progress.

You see the problem.

It's either:
 - A fundraising event
 - A loan/publisher/sponsor (Who will undoubtedly want a say in the game's development)
 - Enlisting volunteer help

 - Pre-releasing the game for paid Early Access.

Those are the only options.

I wouldn't make any assumptions like that until we get some word back.  After all maybe they're fine financially and just taking some vacation days.
Title: Re: Worried
Post by: Machine Medic on November 12, 2017, 01:01:33 AM
I would like to believe you.  Really, I would.

The last mention of any significant progress to the best of my memory was prior to May or April of this year.  The fact that they are now trying to deal with a publisher in order to further progress suggests that their financial woes have returned.

I want to be optimistic, but...  It's hard not to be skeptical after the dev tracker hasn't moved in such a long time (ignoring one small batch of spelling corrections and bugfixes in the last month or two).
Title: Re: Worried
Post by: Loki on November 13, 2017, 12:08:00 AM
I am fairly certain they will choose the best way. I don't think they're going to give up after all this time. Let's see what the future holds.
Title: Re: Worried
Post by: Nomad on November 15, 2017, 01:10:28 PM
Paid early access should work, from what I've seen from the gameplay video, the game looks like it can function pretty well. Even if it's not optimized well, I'd play it!
Title: Re: Worried
Post by: Machine Medic on November 15, 2017, 10:21:41 PM
Agreed.  We've come this far, waited this long.  Even if it is rough around the edges, people playing the game will bring attention to it.  Attention = more players.  More players (in paid early access) = more funding - both through purchases AND the resulting increased odds of getting a publisher.

There is always the concern of giving players the wrong idea about a game by letting them play it before it is fully ready...  That is something that nobody here can rightly speak to except Rotacak.  The decision weighs solely on him as to whether the game is 'good' enough to be shown to the world.

Even so... I'd rather see this game released early than delayed for another 2 years.
Title: Re: Worried
Post by: Rotacak on November 22, 2017, 09:03:17 AM
Yes, it is currently complicated. With publisher it first looks good then looks again bad. Main problem are only money. I did everything what I could for this game, but it still not enough. There are few another possible solutions but if everything will fail, then final release with final gameplay will be delayed by several years until I will make money for it.

But do not worry. Game is playable and I want to release it atleast as is until end of year. Don't know if game can gain popularity when is unfinished - I personally think no, mainly because of missing admin system. But better have it released than no.
Title: Re: Worried
Post by: Loki on November 23, 2017, 10:14:38 AM
Damn those guys! Well then, Early Access it is.
Title: Re: Worried
Post by: Machine Medic on November 24, 2017, 04:03:38 AM
Like I mentioned earlier Rotacak, it wouldn't hurt to open a Patreon account and put up some basic rewards.  That way, at least the people who are willing to contribute financially on a monthly basis can be free to do so.  It might not even add up to that much, but at least it will help.

Easy things that can be done later like putting names in a special section of the credits, exclusive weapon/armor skins, forum badges, perhaps even an autographed poster and/or a 'season pass' that gives free access to some/all AAA Games Exchange content for the higher tiers.  All are good rewards that don't require much in terms of immediate effort or investment.

My means are not unlimited, but I would be willing to chip in a couple of dollars every month if it would help.
Title: Re: Worried
Post by: Rotacak on November 25, 2017, 11:02:59 AM
Machine Medic: That is true. I will create some like these donations possibilities. I have meeting with another investor next week and if there will be no deal then I will stop these activities (investors, publishers) and start to working on something that have sense - like directly all about Murnatan and AAAGAMES.
Title: Re: Worried
Post by: Loki on November 25, 2017, 08:58:32 PM
Machine Medic: That is true. I will create some like these donations possibilities. I have meeting with another investor next week and if there will be no deal then I will stop these activities (investors, publishers) and start to working on something that have sense - like directly all about Murnatan and AAAGAMES.

Great to hear that, I wish you luck!
Title: Re: Worried
Post by: Nomad on January 07, 2018, 07:14:49 PM
Machine Medic: That is true. I will create some like these donations possibilities. I have meeting with another investor next week and if there will be no deal then I will stop these activities (investors, publishers) and start to working on something that have sense - like directly all about Murnatan and AAAGAMES.

How did the meeting go?  :-\
Title: Re: Worried
Post by: Rotacak on January 10, 2018, 10:01:37 AM
Meeting was good, now we waiting for results.
Title: Re: Worried
Post by: Nomad on January 10, 2018, 08:50:37 PM
Meeting was good, now we waiting for results.

Sounds great, good luck!
Title: Re: Worried
Post by: ViruS on January 30, 2018, 07:54:39 PM
Imo, patreon is kind of a personal support thing that doesn't work out too well for developement groups, but sure, you can give it a shot.

I currently am still searching for a job for over a year (western australia is the land of occupational inopportunity) so unfortunately I can't help your financial situation.

Also while I personally think that projects with paid early access tend to get negative reviews if they hadn't passed a sufficient developement stage, it might be the best choice for your financial situation.

Also, care to share the conditions of the investor's agreement? If it hasn't been finalised yet, at least remember to read through the fine print.
Title: Re: Worried
Post by: Rotacak on January 30, 2018, 09:12:25 PM
About investor it is already done - failed.

Now we will release current version and we will add project on indiegogo.

I will write more information about everything.
Title: Re: Worried
Post by: Loki on February 01, 2018, 10:23:33 PM
About investor it is already done - failed.

Now we will release current version and we will add project on indiegogo.

I will write more information about everything.

well i'll be damned, at least there are open possibilities