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Offline MegaMedic on: February 19, 2014, 11:01:36 PM

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I never tested this and I will never do it because I don't trust on it, but I posted the topic. Why I posted the topic? To see the opinion to more people. What do you guys think about astral projection? Did you try to do this? Did it work?

P.S. If you don't know what is, get some info about it before post on topic.

Offline Loki #1 on: February 20, 2014, 06:56:24 AM

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Do you mean the mind out of body? Soul? Or what?

Offline Facility. #2 on: February 20, 2014, 11:13:06 AM

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There no such thing like this , i don't believe this crap
Soul out from the body while your body sleeping and mind is wake ...what's that pffff
I believe That soul out of body while your body/mind sleeping and Death .

Offline Machine Medic #3 on: February 20, 2014, 01:42:05 PM

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I believe That soul out of body while your body/mind sleeping and Death .

I believe that the "soul" is nothing more than a human conjuration to explain the dynamics of self-awareness, and therefore it never leaves the body because it is nothing more than a misunderstanding of the electro-chemical reactions forming the biological computer that is the human mind.
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Offline Loki #4 on: February 20, 2014, 06:20:42 PM

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And people in Dark Age couldn't even think of something like electricity. They couldn't know we'd have fuel-powered machines, computers, your sick animes, homosexuals, AIDS, cancer because their mind and thinking was limited by lack of information. I suppose you do know that we're not anything to be compared to Gods. We know pretty much nothing of nowadays world.

I do not dare to say anything but I do believe in some sort of soul. After all, Newton's Law of Conservation of Energy. And Quantum physics of course.

Offline Facility. #5 on: February 20, 2014, 07:28:04 PM

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I believe That soul out of body while your body/mind sleeping and Death .

I believe that the "soul" is nothing more than a human conjuration to explain the dynamics of self-awareness, and therefore it never leaves the body because it is nothing more than a misunderstanding of the electro-chemical reactions forming the biological computer that is the human mind.
Totally Disagree .

Offline Loki #6 on: February 20, 2014, 09:21:37 PM

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I believe That soul out of body while your body/mind sleeping and Death .

I believe that the "soul" is nothing more than a human conjuration to explain the dynamics of self-awareness, and therefore it never leaves the body because it is nothing more than a misunderstanding of the electro-chemical reactions forming the biological computer that is the human mind.
Totally Disagree .

With what? He's actually argued against the 'Soul' term.

Offline Machine Medic #7 on: February 20, 2014, 10:28:36 PM

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soul [...] Law of Conservation of Energy

The First Law of thermodynamics has nothing to do with with a 'soul'. 

The human body takes in energy in the form of carbohydrates, fats, and proteins initially formed by plants as they absorb light produced by fusion occurring in our local star, Sol.  The energy from the chemical bonds in these nutrients is used by the eukaryotic cells in the human body to produce adenosine triphosphate, which drives almost all bodily functions, including but not limited to the electrochemical reactions that occur in nerve cells - in which sodium and potassium are used to create electrical imbalances (like a battery) used to send and receive signals to other neurons.  All electrical energy used in the communication between neurons is eventually dissipated as heat, as explained by Joule's Law.  As any person educated enough to be invoking thermodynamic laws should be well aware, the creation of heat ultimately contributes to Entropy, which is the eventual neutralization of all forms of energy in the known universe.

(Side note: if you dispute the relevance of Joule's Law in the perspective of the workings of the human brain, you clearly have no concept of how electrical energy works, much less the human brain.)

So in rebuttal to your argument, in absolutely no point between consuming food and dissipating body heat is something known as a 'soul' involved in the thermodynamic process, therefore the First Law of thermodynamics has absolutely no relevance in this argument, and cannot be invoked as a logical explanation for the existence of a 'soul'.
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Offline Loki #8 on: February 20, 2014, 10:31:24 PM

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I don't think you're talking about the same law and even if you did, you sound like Virus.

Offline Machine Medic #9 on: February 20, 2014, 10:48:19 PM

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I don't think you're talking about the same law and even if you did, you sound like Virus.

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Newton's Law of Conservation of Energy

The First Law of thermodynamics, also known as Newton's Law of Conservation of Energy.

The one and only.


And please, insulting me isn't going to help your argument.  The only thing that accomplishes is making you sound less intelligent.
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Offline Loki #10 on: February 21, 2014, 06:46:23 AM

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Man, calm down. Do you think my aim was to insult you by saying that you sound like Virus?

You don't believe in soul, I do. No matter how you put your arguments my attitude towards it won't change.

Offline Facility. #11 on: February 21, 2014, 11:53:01 AM

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The soul is a part of us if it leaves our body we'll die  :D

Offline Machine Medic #12 on: February 21, 2014, 01:49:58 PM

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You don't believe in soul, I do. No matter how you put your arguments my attitude towards it won't change.

Yeah, that's exactly the response I was expecting, to be honest.

Thank you for reinforcing my misanthropy.
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Offline Loki #13 on: February 21, 2014, 03:05:34 PM

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You don't believe in soul, I do. No matter how you put your arguments my attitude towards it won't change.

Yeah, that's exactly the response I was expecting, to be honest.

Thank you for reinforcing my misanthropy.

Your arguments are invalid for me as they may be for anybody here. I can't argue on that level because that's the highest level I know about. You've been told what to think, not how to think. This is the main problem in the West, not just in school but in massmedia as well.

Sorry man.

Offline Machine Medic #14 on: February 21, 2014, 03:38:30 PM

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You've been told what to think, not how to think.

Don't make sweeping generalizations.  I could name quite a few stereotypes about Eastern nations, but they would be inaccurate for a large percentage of the populations in said countries, just like the stereotype you just used on Western nations doesn't apply to certain populations over here.


Now the phenomenon you are talking about may be very real in a social sense.  People listen to what the media feed them, and I personally agree with that belief, as unfortunate as it is.

However, when it comes to learning about science, technology, and ultimately the nature of existence as we are aware of it, we are taught to make judgements based on careful observation and repeatable experimentation using the scientific method, not based on superstitious conjectures, religious scriptures, or what the media shoves in our faces.


So effectively, your statement is partly true for a percentage of certain Western citizens in certain social situations, but it is completely irrelevant when I am citing proven and as of yet unbreakable laws of science to defend my own scientific argument, which I have come to believe only through unbiased scientific observation.



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I can't argue on that level because that's the highest level I know about.

Then why in  hell did you try to cite multiple scientific fields in order to win an argument, if you have no idea how they even work or relate to the subject?

Plus, you have access to the *ENTIRE* internet to research literally every scientific concept in the world (including the ones I have invoked) if you want to.  Not knowing isn't an excuse to pretend my arguments simply don't exist just because you cannot cite convincing evidence that is consistent and repeatable to support the validity of your own.
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